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Matt's '88 780

I . The system won't tell you at what RPM it knocked or what the intensity of the knock was, or give you real-time information on when it knocks, correct?
System will give you real time info, when the knock will occure. You should see one-flash on the diagnostig diode. Put it on long wire and wire it inside car, on the main dashboard and see it when running under load (i.e. uphill) at ~2000rpm... let me know, I'm very interested if this is Volvo PRV issue - bad construction of knock sensors/something in engine which is detected as knock..

Because it happens on LPG, it sounds like you're not knocking at all, but are registering some form of false knock.
Exactly - it is definitely not knocking.. I tried Shell V-power Racing 100 RON octane and still same..

I have wondered about piston slap or wristpin knock, maybe timing chain noise or valvetrain noise, or even a combination of them all, setting off knock sensors.
I also considered this things before, but as I have my B280E completely reconditioned, I have no idea what is source of this fake knocks.. Set off knock sensors is not easy as it sounds. you can't just unplug them, because ECU will notice it and set limp-home mode with defauld bad ignition advance.. Also rewire of knock sensors, putting capacitors on their wires..all this things will result with limp-home mode.. Contact user "tomasss"" for more info..he was playing with it for more than year, until yesterday! He finally solved it by putting 2 knock sensors from Nissan SX (or ZX) which are less sensitive to the top of main intake between heads and it is working! He says, that he has much more power at ~2000 rpm than before...

You've got the "global" 10.0:1 c/r, 170 hp motor, do you?
Yes, B280E 125kW.. I hope that with dodge eagle exhaust pipes it should be up to 150kW..
:-P
 
Going for a drive with a set of detcans on if you're unsure might not be a bad idea.

I love detcans. Like, a lot. :lol:
 
Okay, when I am finished with the cosmetics (I'm painting the roof & trunk at the moment) and finally start driving it, I'll check the diagnostic port on the road and will report back.

Do you see many of these in the JY in the Cz? I just pulled another set of cams so I know what a pain they are to remove, but I'd take a pair if possible. (I'd pay for labour. The ECU/ICU are different between the two versions too, aren't they?) The thought with my spare pair was to have them reground with a little more lift & duration, but I'm a little worried about the cam/rocker wear problem that the factory worked so hard at fixing...
 
the cam wear was due to bad lubrication. i say go for it. if i still had my 780 id probbaly have that pig turboed by now. definatly would be a stick
 
Alright, so I've lived with it on the road for a few days now, and yesterday was a pretty hot day (hot for me: approaching 30*C) and I could really feel it start to hesitate as if it were pulling timing or something. I built a diagnostic tool as per the instructions on Swedishbricks (except I didn't have a 560 ohm resistor so I used a 510 - I'm sure this doesn't matter) and installed it. This morning was much cooler, maybe 15*, and I didn't feel any running issues but I did observe a couple of brief flashes. It didn't happen all the time, and it didn't seem to be specific to load (though it was more common at higher loads) nor did it seem to happen specifically at 2000 RPM +/-. I'll observe it for a few more days and we'll see if I can establish a pattern.

Part of the running problem is likely from the different injectors I used - I used a set from a B6304F - they're rated the same flow but they operate at different pressures. My wideband didn't show anything untoward at WOT but there might be some differences because I'm having some funny starting issues when both the weather and the engine is very hot. It fires instantly and then dies, and then requires a couple seconds of cranking before it fires up again. I'm running a brand new fuel pressure regulator and a brand new fuel pump check valve, so I SHOULD be maintaining pressure at the rail. It certainly starts better than it did last year, before I installed those parts, but by the same token I don't have any frame of reference because I've always been dealing with a different hot start problem until now, nor do I have a frame of reference for what WOT AFRs should be with stock injectors. They're showing low 12:1 now, a bit richer than I'd like but not as rich as I'd expect the factory to be.

I read that you B280E guys got different ECUs, and I don't remember if I read that you got different ICUs but you may have.

On a different topic: you folks considering building headers for these engines, either size them "too big" (i.e., 1.5" OD or larger), make them unequal length, or prepare for a lot of noise. With the exhaust I originally built, the noise was obscene. I have since swapped the rear muffler for a large Dynomax oval and an S shaped tailpipe, and it's quieted down a lot, but I've still got a loud resonance at 2400-3000 RPM, where the pipes come into play. The 1.375" equal length tubes make pulses so powerful, it's just RAPPPPPP... Otherwise it sounds pretty good. Hell, it even sounds alright in that area, it's just not what I'm looking for (unless I could make that noise from 4000-6000 RPM, tubes much shorter than 33.5" would be needed, possibly unequal length to extend the range.) And with the automatic, it ALWAYS seems to be in the 2400-3000 RPM range.
 
could be your knock sensors. try installing them on top of the intake manifold. tomass did it on his 760 and it cured a lot of problems.
 
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I'd hate to have wasted $250 on brand knew knock sensors though, or think that they're picking up a faulty signal. Getting them out is impossible without removing the intake manifold and the coolant distribution pipe, so they'd just be sitting down there connected to nothing. :roll:

The only sensor I haven't changed is the coolant temperature sensor, and I was wondering if I was getting some faulty signals from there. Won't find out today, as it usually only happens when it's really hot and it just started raining buckets... I did get two bright flashes from my test light a couple of times this morning, suggesting the CLT sensor had gone katywompus, but it could have been 2 knock messages. I'm not sure of the length of pause I can expect.
 
you should contact tomass about it and talk to hime and what he did with the sensors. i think he used a differnt sensor and bolted em to the top of the intake
 
Interesting read so far, I'm not finished yet though. The first thing I saw wrong was that he got TWO flashes. Two flashes mean faulty ECT signal, according to the EZK ignition greenbook. One flash means knock.

And I'm getting four flashes, meaning fault in the knock sensor circuit (or internal).

Edit - I am also getting a series of single flashes rather infrequently while I drive. It does seem to be between 2000 and 3000 RPM, but it's only under certain load values. I don't think it's anything unusual, really, just a product of having a knock sensor based ignition and a slow-burning engine. Next tank I can try some higher octane fuel, just to see.

The "four flash" error I got was DEFINITELY an error code - I never noticed it while driving, but when arriving at my destination I put it in park and raised the RPM to above 2500 and then back to idle as per the green book instructions, and immediately it flashed 4 times over and over and over again.

The monitoring continues.
 
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12a, shoot me a list. I've got a bunch of them on the 780 and a few on the PRV, but I am probably missing one or two.
 
Another 4 flash error on the way to lunch, but on the way back (after the engine had been warmed up) I couldn't even get the KS to flash the light once. The power loss was noticeable when the light was flashing 4, 4, 4... perked right back up on the way home.

Guess I can deduce why my mileage has been so bad, and why some days it runs awesome and some days awful.
 
id also check the wires. i remember the harness on my 780 was compleete crap. i pulled a good harness a few years back but never installed it and i trashed it when i got rid on my 780
 
check the connectors under the strut braces. those volvo connectors are junk. i had planned to change over to weather pack connectors
 
Will do. They looked good when I put the engine back in the car, though. I had this same feeling since I bought the car so I'm thinking it was there before and I just assumed it was the cruddy original knock sensors. Maybe it's wiring, maybe it's ICU. I've got to dig under the dash and check out the front amp sometime soon anyway, so I'll probably swap ICUs first. I want to make sure this spare one works, too, before I start digging into the Tunerpro/Ostrich pit of despair. :rofl:
 
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